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At what point does art become pornography?



I had this discussion with my friends not too long ago, and was wondering what your insight was?

I know there are rules about children being naked in pictures, paintings etc...
but at what point does this change?

and what about naked angelic paintings from hundreds of years ago?

should we still be showing these in galleries?

what about if you, for example, take a photo of your child in the bath, just because they look cute? Why is this not illegal?

Simply put, the point that art becomes porn is at penetration.
When its reason for existing is sexual titillation?
I have seen some great art that was porn....at the same time.

http://www.amnesiacarts.com/immagini_the...

"Jeff Koons. I find many of his works awful, almost arrogantly destructive--especially the raw porn he once employed in commemorating himself in coitus with his then wife Ciciolina--the porn star *** Italian parliamentarian. But part of artistic stature is shock value, and Koons is an accomplished shocker. I don't think Koons' works are contrived shock or kid's shock or some kind of practical joke.

His marbles are gripping. You might not like them, but he's got an exceptional talent. One mark of his abilities is the hatred he generates among the mainstream art critics. Jeffrey Deitch, 721 Fifth Avenue, New York, New York 10022, fax (212) 371-9594 "


Nakedness in art is never pornography. Nakedness in porn is never art.

If you take a picture of your kid this never is illegal. If the same picture ends up on a computer among many other naked kids it is. It serves a different purpose and that is what makes it pornographic.

The law is overly protective of kids and I think it isn't a crime the law does that.
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I agree wholeheartedly with the previous answer. Look at the content of work to determine if it is pornographic in nature or not. An example would be a sex magazine that objectifies the male and female body. Emphasis is placed on the sex organs to simulate the reader or viewer. Non-pornographic or art related material has another underlying and overall meaning other than the sexual one that may or may not be implied.

We are all sexual beings from birth to death, and the societal and personal value placed upon sex should never be underestimated. In other words, we will "see" something sexual in just about anything we experience for good or ill. Repression (of everything sexual) in our culture creates a tremedous imbalance in what was otherwise intended to be a joyful and loving act. Toss in the religious fanaticism of good and evil and you have a whole can of worms that corrupts everything it touches. Making the taking of pictures of your naked child in the bath a pedophilic event.

I guess the bottom line is your own intent. Do you believe enough in the nature of innocence to let it be, or to accept an expression of it that differs from your own? Or do you want to place a moral judgement on anything remotely connected to the sexual? In looking at a work of art that displays partial or full nudity, do you write it off as pornographic without ever considering another meaning that the artist is trying to convey? An individual's opinion and perception of just about any work of art, especially how it relates to the human form and sexuality, is what determines if a work is pornographic in nature or not.
There is no such thing as pornography in art. The image is merely a reflection of what the artist is thinking. Do we censor each other's thoughts? Of course not although there are some that would like to. If you study art history at all, you will find that many prominent artists both past and present at some time in their careers acted out their fantasies on paper, canvass or through other mediums. No one is forcing you to look at them. If the viewer finds them offensive, that's his tough luck.
I have a strongly differnt view on art and pornography. Art is all pornography and Art and Pornography are very much the same. It is all created to titalate your senses and take the artist and viewer into past memories, feelings, untouchable worlds and draw emotions from imagery. Pornography lets many into worlds they dream of without being there and opens minds. So does art on a more intellctual level. These are general statments of course. I do not condone lots of porn, and there is lots of art I do not care for either. But every piece of pornography and every piece of art has its own target market so who are we to judge if its not meant for us? I do judge though. Its impossble not to, but unless there is a life suffering for a piece of pornography or a piece of art then it is okay/kosher in my eyes.
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